[BNM] [OT] Car rental question

Scott Lawson scottjlawson at gmail.com
Mon Jul 6 15:49:29 BST 2015


Some do that - you can buy a "full tank" at slightly reduced prices.
However it's near impossible to return a car with no fuel in it (usually
when you get under 5L it starts to not work so well, i.e going up hills
depending on how the tank is set up, so a car is rarely actually on 0%)

I almost managed to beat a hire car company at their own game when renting
a rental car in Canada just after Hurricane Katrina hit. Fuel prices went
up by about 40% during the period of my rental but then dropped down at the
end. It's about the only time you'd be better off going for that option, so
that says something!

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Martyn Fagg <lists at muphi.com> wrote:

> That's exactly what I'm saying.
>
> From MSE: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-car-hire
>
> Beware fuel policy stealth charges
>
> A common wheeze is to give you a full tank that you pay for upfront.
> You're then told to return the car empty, often with no refund for
> unused fuel. If you won't drive far, you'll be wasting lots.
>
> What's more, the amount charged can be much more than local prices - a
> family car in popular destinations can cost £90+ per tank. The best
> firms offer 'return as you found it' policies, so you only pay for the
> fuel you use.
>
> How to search by fuel policy
>
> The broker firms and comparison sites below help you avoid hidden
> nasties on fuel costs. They either provide results where you only pay
> for the fuel you use, or show quotes where what you pay for is the
> same as the resort's local pump prices.
>
> Enjoy Car Hire* only offers quotes for cars where you pay for the fuel
> you use. Prices do change from week to week, so always compare prices
> with other providers below to find your cheapest.
>
> TravelSupermarket* lets you search by 'full to full' or 'full to
> empty' policies. Prices vary a lot with 'full to full' policies in
> destinations such as Spain and France so always weigh them up - at
> least with these policies you won't waste cash on unused fuel.
>
> While it's a broker (it appears in comparison sites' results), Auto
> Europe* also provides a fuel policy search facility. You can filter by
> 'full to empty' or 'full to full' policies at several European
> destinations.
>
> Comparison site Moneymaxim* has a 'Fairer Fuel' search which will only
> display cars where you pay for the fuel you use at pump price. The
> tool allows you to compare fuel policies for deals from
> RentalCars.com, Hertz, Avis, Sixt, Cardelmar and CarHireDepot and Auto
> Europe.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Max Williams
> <toastkid.williams at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You're saying there are companies who will charge you for a full tank of
> > petrol (eg £60 pounds) even if you take it back full, effectively
> > encouraging you to take it back to them as empty as possible?  I've never
> > encountered that.
> >
> > It's always either been "Bring it back full or get charged the difference
> > at over-the-odds rates" (90% of the time) or "Bring it back with the same
> > amount in it" which is very rare these days.  (I think Choice used to do
> > it, it was a pain in the arse trying to judge it).
> >
> > On 6 July 2015 at 15:28, Martyn Fagg <lists at muphi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 for getting your own car hire insurance for any excess, normally
> >> works out cheaper.
> >> It is also worth looking at whether how you pay for the petrol. Some
> >> companies will charge you for a full tank when you return the car,
> >> even if you return it full. Their price per litre can be much hire
> >> than you'll pay at a local garage, so if you can it can be cheaper
> >> overall to pay a bit more up front for "Full to full" and fill it up
> >> yourself on the way to drop it off.
> >>
> http://www.rentalcars.com/en/magazine/car-hire-guides/fuel-policy-guide/
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Scott Lawson <scottjlawson at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I always use something like this http://www.insurance4carhire.com/
> >> >
> >> > You can get yearly policies if you rent regularly, or pay daily.
> >> >
> >> > Much better value than car hire places, and they cover you for more
> >> things
> >> > too. Although you do have to pay the excess and claim it back in the
> >> event
> >> > of an accident (where credit cards are helpful).
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Rob Mansfield <rob at robmansfield.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Wow, £1000 excess is a bit steep even for a rental car company!
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 at 14:28 Max Williams <
> toastkid.williams at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Actually, sorry, it wasn't from Enterprise, it was from Europcar.
> I
> >> >> always
> >> >> > get them mixed up :/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 6 July 2015 at 14:26, Max Williams <toastkid.williams at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I rented from Enterprise the other weekend and i'm pretty sure it
> >> was
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > > pre-authorised, rather than actually taken and refunded later.  I
> >> was
> >> >> > > cacking it because their excess is £1000 (so i had to
> pre-authorise
> >> >> > > £1000).  You can pay £19 a day to reduce the excess to zero,
> which
> >> i'd
> >> >> > > recommend doing based on how much stress it caused me (i was
> >> driving it
> >> >> > > around as if the boot was filled with 50 year old dynamite).
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 6 July 2015 at 14:22, Rob Mansfield <rob at robmansfield.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Thanks for all the responses... Sadly I don't have a credit
> card :(
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I'm going with Enterprise. Having read the wiki link that Martyn
> >> >> shared
> >> >> > >> (and your own experiences), it does sound as if it's taken 'on
> >> hold'
> >> >> > for a
> >> >> > >> day (thus semi-emptying your account) and then not actually
> >> processed.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>  Seems as if I may have to beg/borrow/steal £200 for a few days
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Cheers
> >> >> > >> R
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 at 14:14 Max Williams <
> >> toastkid.williams at gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Sounds like a case of "Your mileage may vary", hoho.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > On 6 July 2015 at 14:12, Hazlitt Eastman <hazlitt at manta9.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > > I rented a car 2 weeks ago. They took a deposit of £150 and
> >> paid
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >> > money
> >> >> > >> > > back to my account 3 days after I returned the car.
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > > Haze
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > > On 06/07/2015 14:01, "BNMlist on behalf of Scott Lawson" <
> >> >> > >> > > bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org on behalf of
> >> >> > >> scottjlawson at gmail.com
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > > >I think they do take the amount, and refund it after, I
> >> usually
> >> >> > use a
> >> >> > >> > > >credit card for such things to avoid the situation you
> >> mention.
> >> >> > >> > > >
> >> >> > >> > > >
> >> >> > >> > > >
> >> >> > >> > > >On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Rob Mansfield <
> >> >> > rob at robmansfield.net>
> >> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > >
> >> >> > >> > > >> Hi all
> >> >> > >> > > >>
> >> >> > >> > > >> I'm hiring a car on Weds for the day and paid online
> before
> >> >> > >> > discovering
> >> >> > >> > > >> that on the day the car hire company takes a £200
> deposit.
> >> >> > >> > > >>
> >> >> > >> > > >> Bad time of month as I don't have £200 in my account.
> >> >> > >> > > >>
> >> >> > >> > > >> What I'm wondering though is whether this is a 'nominal
> >> >> > >> > authorisation',
> >> >> > >> > > >> rather than a charge, ie they charge your card £1 like
> pay
> >> at
> >> >> > pump
> >> >> > >> and
> >> >> > >> > > then
> >> >> > >> > > >> only take the full amount when necessary.
> >> >> > >> > > >>
> >> >> > >> > > >> I'd prefer not to cancel the booking as there's a £25
> >> >> > cancellation
> >> >> > >> fee
> >> >> > >> > > >>
> >> >> > >> > > >> Thanks
> >> >> > >> > > >> Rob
> >> >> > >> > > >> --
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