[BNM] [OT] Registered or not?

Max Williams toastkid.williams at gmail.com
Fri Mar 20 16:01:15 GMT 2015


Ah yeah, sorry - i was forgetting about all those elections that had a very
low turnout, which in turn prompted a complete change in the relevant
political system, where the politicians said "Hmm, this turnout is crap -
we need to change our democracy in order to try and get more people
voting".

Oh hang on - i forgot them because they never happened.  Me and my memory.

On 20 March 2015 at 15:55, Scott Lawson <scottjlawson at gmail.com> wrote:

> A missed vote is also potentially voting against the current system. Voting
> for the lesser of several evils is that, is also a vote of confidence in
> the system.
>
> People can interpret what a vote truly means it lots of different ways (i.e
> parties believing they have a mandate to govern, when in reality they only
> have around 1/3 of the vote.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Max Williams <toastkid.williams at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > In defense...
> >
> > Gov.uk, made by the Government Digital Service, is actually pretty
> > good, unlike many other high profile government-funded IT projects and in
> > particular compared to its predecessor Directgov.
> >
> > It's modern, agile and driven by good quality design, made by experienced
> > web design professionals, some of whom some of you might even personally
> > know and respect, rather than some bloated IT dinosaur.  It's a really
> > positive move for the government, coming out of a report in 2011 (i
> think)
> > which told them they needed to really sort their shit out.  They seem to
> be
> > doing just that.
> >
> > If it turns out that there is data duplication, or missing data etc, it
> is
> > more likely to be the fault of local government, who generally have a big
> > jumbled mess of different systems.  Eg in B&H, parking permits have two
> > totally different systems: one for residents permits and one for
> visitors.
> > If you already have a resident's permit and you want to get some visitors
> > permits you need to fill in a new form to register for the visitors
> permit
> > system.  And that's just for parking permits, a simpler problem to manage
> > (one would assume) than keeping track of voter registration.
> >
> > And on the other subject, of voter abstaining, there's no such thing as
> not
> > voting.  A missed vote is a vote for the status quo.  So if you think all
> > politicians are scumbags, look harder at your local candidates and find
> one
> > you like, or at least hate the least.  Otherwise you're just sitting at
> > home voting for the person who is already in power.
> >
> >
> > On 20 March 2015 at 13:11, Scott Lawson <scottjlawson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ha, typical Government projects. Although usually the problem is less
> > > technical, and more about getting departments to talk to each other
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Alan Newman <
> > alan at sensibledevelopment.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > haha, so basically someone just set up a crappy one page site with a
> > form
> > > > submission to no where that just "you are not registered".
> > > >
> > > > I bet it £100k to build too…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 20 Mar 2015, at 12:57, Rich Sage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I emailed our local council (Arun) about it as I'd got the same
> "not
> > > > > registered" message. Apparently the gov.uk system isn't married up
> > > with
> > > > > local councils' systems either so it doesn't know if you've been
> > > > registered
> > > > > or not... so just says you're not regardless. But Arun's system
> > > > apparently
> > > > > detects duplicates and just discards if you're already marked as
> > > > > registered. I'd imagine that's probably a fairly standard thing for
> > > > > councils to do - you would hope anyway - so no harm done....
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 12:38 Scott Lawson <scottjlawson at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Apparently you're not the only one
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31963461
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Helana Bryant <
> > spiralwarp at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> The council sent me a letter this morning, stating that I was
> > already
> > > > >>> registered.  This was despite the on-line registration system
> > > > >>> indicating otherwise.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Apparently the sign-up process has caused national confusion and
> > > alarm.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> H.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 17 March 2015 at 14:25, Alan Newman <
> > alan at sensibledevelopment.com
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>
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