[BNM] f up nights - could be good event to run in brighton

Paul Silver paul at paulsilver.co.uk
Wed Mar 25 14:42:38 GMT 2015

On 25 March 2015 at 12:09, Adam Martin <adam.m.s.martin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 March 2015 at 12:00,  <bnmlist-request at brightonnewmedia.org> wrote:
> > If you've only 'failed'
> > then people could dismiss your views on it as they may think you just
> don't
> > put enough effort in / didn't do it right etc. If you also succeed it
> shows
> > you do know what you're doing and can cause a deeper look at how you
> think
> > you failed.
> Case in point: The list has managed to go fewer than 10 replies before
> attempting to remove the concept of "failure" from the equation.
> I know it was well-meant, but ... until you can look at failure and
> *see it as a good thing on its own two feet*, you're missing the
> point.

Perhaps if I give an example, my reason for not being interested in people
who have only failed _without knowing more_ will become clearer:

I know three sets of people who have tried to start up versions of the Farm
in their areas after visiting or living in Brighton. At least two of them
failed because the person doing the organising didn't stick at it - they
didn't continue advertising and holding meetings beyond the first few

I don't want to go to an evening of listening to people describe their
failures when the explanation for their failure is "I didn't put much
effort in because I'm lazy, but I'm not going to say that, I'm going to
blame it on this other factor."

If the person has gone on and done something else which has been
successful, that means they know how to put in enough effort to make
something successful (I know luck plays a part, but you still need to take
advantage of fortunate situations.)

If someone has thought deeply about what the probable causes of their
failure were and have come to an understanding of what happened, that is
also very interesting. The problem is - how to judge that before listening
to the talk?


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